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baneMilisavljevic: kakve veze ima ako neko nesto reklamira, pa valjda je taj neko ujedno i naj kopetentniji da nama manje upucenima, da neki koristan savet za nase problemcice.Bela rado, ako si toliko birala muza, koliko biras gorionik, siguran sam da pored njega tebi ne treba ni kotao ni pelet.Salim se naravno pa nova godina je.
Ma nemam ja nista protiv da se nesto reklamira, da se hvali, ali takodje se mora dozvoliti i da se kaze nesto sto nije pozitivno. A mi onda sabiramo i dobro i lose pa odlucimo.
Sto se korisnih informacija tice...bilo bi mnogo korisnije da prodavci gorionika napisu na kojoj vrsti kotlova su se pokazali bolje a na kojoj losije gorionici. Svi mi znamo da je najbolje imati kotao koji je bas napravljen za pelet, ali, na zalost, velika vecina nas stavlja gorionik na kotao koji vec poseduje. U tom smislu bilo bi korisno da neko, ko je prodao preko 900 gorionika, ima neki uvid u njihovo iskoriscenje u odnosu na vrstu kotla (toplovodni, dvopromajni, tropromajni, sa vertikalnim promajama, sa horizontalnim promajama, tucani, sa vecom kolicinom vode u kotlu ili sa manjom kolicinom vode...).
Na zalost to niko nece da napise, jer je ipak vaznije prodati nego da neko shvati da njegov kotao bas i nije idealan za ugradnju gorionika. A kad kupi gorionik, pa trosi kao da greje fabricku halu, onda covek odluci da zameni i kotao. A gorionik mu ostaje....I na kraju opet nemas pravu stvar, a dao si prave tesko zaradjene novce. Mozda bi neki odlucili u startu da kupe kotao iskljucivo na pelet, pa da bar znaju sta su kupili. Ovako "seci usi-krpi dup* " celog zivota..
Koje smo mi, uopste prave informacije uspeli da dobijemo? I da li, posle ovih 49 stranica i skoro godinu dana pisanja i pitanja imamo neki podatak koji ce nam biti od koristi pri donosenju odluke o kupovini ? Mi ovde piskaramo i pitamo se koji je gorionik bolji i jeftiniji, a pojma nemamo da li bi i najbolji i najskuplji nama uopste vrsio posao!!! hej!!!
Evo kako na primer ozbiljna firma u USA piseo uslovima i ogranicenjima za svoj gorionik, a verovatno moze da se primeni manje-vise na sve gorionike:
2. Precautions
Before selling a ****** burner, the authorized dealer or distributor must verify that all conditions
necessary for creating a functional installation are fulfilled. If extra modifications have to be carried out,
information must be provided before selling the burner. This section describes in general the
precautions for an approved installation.
2.1 Boiler
It is important to check that the combustion chamber in the boiler is big enough to ensure that the
flame does not come in contact with the water-cooled walls. Verify that the boiler’s capacity range
complies with the burner. There must be enough space for the ash to accumulate. The exhaust gas
channels should not be so narrow that they can easily be clogged with ash. The boiler combustion
chamber must comply with the dimensions shown in section 1.8 Dimensions.
The distance between the front edge of the burner and the rear part of the combustion chamber should
be at least 12” / 30.48 cm, which can be adjusted with the supplied mounting flange (max. 2-3/4” / 7
cm). The minimum distance to the bottom of the fireplace depends on the boiler design. There must be
enough space for the quantity of ash build up that is created during at least one week’s use in the
winter heating season.
2.2 Chimney
We recommend that you have a local chimney sweeper or other corresponding authority make an
inspection and provide advice and instructions on the chimney measurements in accordance with local
codes and regulations. This must be considered before installing and operating the burner:
• A suitable chimney diameter is between approximately 4” to 6” / 10 to 13 cm for a factory made
steel chimney or steel insert in a brick made chimney lined in accordance to local codes. The
chimney should then be of a length that gives a draught of 0.06” to 0.08” of water (39° F) /
0.153 to 0.204 cm of water (4° C) or 15 - 20 Pa when in operation. Measures have to be taken
if the chimney is smaller or much larger in diameter in order to give the proper draught and
flow. The pressure drop in the boiler also has an effect on the required draught. A draught
restrictor must be mounted to maintain a correct and stabile chimney draught.
• Always check the exhaust gas temperature. Directly after the boiler it should be 356° F to 482°
F / 180° C to 250° C. Too high a temperature can damage the chimney and is not economical.
Too low a temperature, a very high chimney, or a large chimney diameter creates a risk for
condensation that can cause corrosion and damage due to freezing. Measured three feet (one
meter) down from the top of the chimney, the temperature of the exhaust gas should be at least
176° F / 80° C. This temperature should be taken when the burner has almost reached the stop
temperature. If the temperature is below 176° F / 80° C, it is suggested that you mount an
insert tube or add insulation to the flue pipe. This will raise the temperature without influencing
the efficiency. You can also increase the burner effect or remove baffles in the boiler. In both
cases the efficiency is reduced. The draught restrictor can be of some use against
condensation, but it cannot typically compensate for large temperature variances.
Ja ni jednog trenutka nisam napisala nesto protiv shureta, niti je ista bilo licno. Cak sam u nekoliko stranica ranije napisala da mi neke komsije imaju njegove gorionike i da su zadovoljni. I jos sam napisala da mi njihovo prisustvo na forumima uliva sigurnost.
Pa ovo mesto valjda sluzi za razmenu informacija....a informacije su razne, i dobre i lose, i istinite i neistinite, i dobronamerne i nedobronamerne, i iz banke i sa pijace.....
I stvarno mi nije jasno zasto se shure osetio prozvan i uvredjen.
Ucestvujem na raznim temama i forumima, dobijam puno privatnih poruka, mnogima sam pomogla savetom i mnogi su meni pomogli. Smatram da je ovo mesto za nesebicne jude koji hoce svoje znanje i iskustvo da podele sa drugima bez materijalne naknade.
Obzirom da nisam konfliktna osoba, nikad nisam bila sklona svadji i prepucavanjima bilo koje vrste, a procenjujem da je shuretovo prisustvo na forumu dragocenije nego moje, ja se povlacim da ne bi ovaj forum zamro zbog mene. Naravno, citacu ga i dalje i nadam se da cu na prolece da se castim gorionikom i da cu biti zadovoljna izborom.
Sve vas pozdravljam! :)
P.S.
Muza sam birala na brzinu, pa sad moram gorionik na tenane (naravno, salim se i ja)
preduzimljiva baba